In 12th century the land is first mentioned as Ukraine. Russia does not exist

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For the first time Ukraine was mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle. Not Little Rus’ or something else, but Ukraine. Nobody heard about Moscow and Russia at that time. Learn more impressive historical facts.





The Chronicle includes several components: Lavrentian Chronicle, the Tale of Bygone Years, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Galician–Volhynian Chronicles which described the events from 860’s to 1292’s. Sources of the chronicles are diverse: Palatine chroniclers, palatine letters, ambassadors’ reports, military tales, stories of bystanders, the Greek chronicles and so on.
Ukraine is mentioned for the first time in the Tale of Igor’s Campaign against Polovtsy in 1185.
The field of Igor Svyatoslavich's battle with the Polovtsy, by Viktor Vasnetsov. Credits wikipedia.org

The field of Igor Svyatoslavich’s battle with the Polovtsy, by Viktor Vasnetsov. Credits wikipedia.org

Many sources identify Kyivan Rus with Ukraine. In some versions, such as Ermolaevsky list (1189-1213 years), Ukraine is called Krajina (country), in Kyiv chronicles – Galich Ukraina.
Also, the name ‘Ukraine’ is mentioned in connection with the death of Pereyaslav Knyaz Volodymyr Glebovich, later in the description of events during Galician-Volyn Knyaz Danylo Romanovych regiment. Something like that.

…but nobody heard about Moscow and Russia at that time…

What historical data will help to clarify Ukraine and Russia backgrounds.
Higher education institutions: the Russian Academy of Sciences was founded in 1724, Moscow University in 1755. Ostroh Academy was founded in 1576 in Ukraine, the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy was established in 1615 and Lviv University in 1661.
First printed ABC book in Ukraine was published in 1574 in Lviv, and in the Tsardom of Russia it happened 60 years later in 1634.
The first published Ukrainian book. Lviv, 1574. Image credits izobretenie.biz

The first published Ukrainian book. Lviv, 1574. Image credits izobretenie.biz

Religion: Kyiv Metropolia was founded in the year 988, and Moscow Patriarchate only in 1458. Kyiv Metropolia is 460 years older than Moscow ones.
Capitals: Kyiv is one among the oldest cities in Europe and was founded in 482, while Moscow was founded in 1147 by Yuriy Dolgoruky, the son of Volodymyr Monomakh. So, Kyiv is older than Moscow by 665 years.
The first monarch who was crowned in the Tsardom of Russia was Ivan the Terrible in 1547, and in Ukrainian lands it was the first king of Rus’ Daniel of Galicia in 1253.
Mongol yoke: Kyiv lost the Mongolian yoke in 1363 after the Battle of Blue Waters; Moscow lost yoke in 1480 after great standoff on the Ugra river, and Muscovy paid tribute to the Crimean khan till 1700, including the first years of Peter the Great reign.
Name: For the first time, the term ‘Ukraine’ was found in the chronicles in the year 1187. Term ‘Russia’ was found only during the reign of Ivan the Terrible 400 years later.
Last, but not the least, famous Ukrainian Pylyp Orlyk is the author of one of the first constitutions in the world. On April 5th, 1710 he was elected as a hetman. On the same day he announced a ‘Pacts and Constitutions of Rights and Freedoms of the Zaporizhian Host’. Worth mention, that the U.S. constitution was adopted in 1787. In France and Poland it was adopted in 1791.




What historical facts you should know on Ukraine and Russia origins.
1. A state called Muscovy Peter the Great renamed in Russia in the 18th century, in 1721.
2. The tribe called Mokshas named their river Moskva, and the translation of the title from the Moksha language sounds like ‘dirty water’. In any other languages of the world there is no translation for the word ‘Moscow’. The word ‘Kremlin’ has Tatar roots and stands for fortifications on the hill.
3. In the Middle Ages all European cartographers wrote and marked the frontier of Europe along the borders of Rus (Rus is a territory of present-day Ukraine). Muscovy is Ulus, with its Finnish people, has always been a part of the Horde, and was referred to Asia by Europe.
4. Muscovy (Russia) paid tribute to the Crimean Khan, its sovereign ruler and master, who was the legal successor of the Golden Horde, until 1700. Tsar of Muscovy met Crimean ambassador on Poklonnaya Hill, put him onto the horseback, walked on foot himself leading the horse with the Crimean ambassador to the Kremlin, put him on his throne, and stood up in front of him on his knees.
5. In 1610, in Muscovy Borys Godunov (Murza Gudun) ended the Genghisids dynasty (Genghis Khan’s relative), and Olexiy Koshka from the Finnish family of Kobyliny was enthroned, and the church gave him the surname Romanov, who allegedly came from Rome to rule Muscovy.
6. Catherine the Great, after the occupation of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (territory of Belarus), the last free state of Kyiv Rus’, in 1795, ordered to name Finno-Ugric tribes of Muscovy Great Russians, and Ukrainians (true Rus citizens)– Little Russians.
7. No one has ever seen the original agreement on the reunification between Muscovy and Ukraine, allegedly signed by B. Khmelnitsky and Tzar A. Romanov.
8. For several centuries, archaeologists have been looking for artifacts, confirming the authenticity of the Battle of Kulikovo, but so far without success. But they pitch a yarn about the victory of Dmitry Donskoi over Mamai until now.
9. Pskov, Novgorod, Smolensk regions of Russia are former Slavo-Ruthenian Principalities, and Finno-Ugric Muscovy had nothing to do with this, until Muscovy-Horde occupied them in 1462, in 1478 and in the 1654. And in other areas of Russia (Muscovy) Slavic tribes and peoples have never lived.

10. Golden Horde and her daughter Muscovy are the only countries in the world that enslaved their own people. This explains why rich in natural resources Muscovy falls behind the European countries with lack in natural resources. After all, the effectiveness of the free people is much higher than the slaves.

 

Ukrainian lands in VIII - XIII centuries. Credits to the Washington post

Ukrainian lands in VIII – XIII centuries. Credits to the Washington post

 The myths of the Russian national consciousness suffered a new blow! First, the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns, that have no difference from Mordovians.
According to the information from the Moscow-based Center of Lev Gumilyov, Russian scientists for the first time in history conducted Russian gene pool research and were shocked by the results! These studies also fully confirmed that the Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns. Results of the mitochondrial DNA analysis showed that another Russian nearest relatives, except the Finns from Finland are Tatars: Russians are on the same genetic distance of 30 conventional units from the Tartars, which separate them from the Finns! Russian scientists ended the issue concerning myth of the ‘Slavic roots of Russians’: there is nothing from Slavs in Russians! There is only Slavic Russian language, but it has 60-70% of non-Slavic language, so Russian people are not able to understand the language of the Slavs, although the true Slav understands any language because of the similarity of Slavic languages (except Russian). There are Russians in Russia, but not Rus. There always was and will be only Kievan Rus !




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Maria Nesheva contributed to this publication.
This article is prepared with the use of materials available on Volodymyr Prokopenko’s FB and voronz.in.ua. Cover image credits to goodpublications.

 

  • Дмитро

    Good article. Thanks.

  • Larysa

    But why did the author write Kiev? Need to write Kyiv.

    • Screwdriver

      yak pyvo ?

      • Andrew Chmilewsky

        Ahhh!! — learning some history at last you IGNORANT Russo-mongolian Asiatic animal? :)

        WTF I tol’ you befo’ ???
        Uneducated Finno-Ugric SCUM! ” P’tfu !! ” — I spit in your monhol face!

        • LES1

          n 1569 the “Russian Empire” did NOT exist – it was Muscovy [Moskali and Muscovites] before and after 1569.

          In fact Latin, Greek, and Ruthenian [AKA – Ukrainian] were the languages used on European documents in 1581.

          In 1581 Antonio Posevino, papal legate and member of the Order of Jesuits, paid an official visit to Moscow:

          We also saw that, by tradition, Muscovy is extremely dependent in religious matters on Rus’ [AKA – Ukraine] , which is currently ruled by the Polish king: very recently the Kyivan [AKA – Ukrainian] metropolitan of the Ruthenian [AKA- Ukrainian] faith ordained some Muscovite bishops.

          “In Muscovy a person who has memorized the Slavic letters is considered an extremely learned person. Very few people know the Lord’s Prayer, and almost no one knows the Symbol of Faith, the Ten Commandments, and the Holy Virgin…………

          http://www.day.kiev.ua/156088/

  • Василь Будний

    Thanks! But why “Galich», “Vladimir Glebovich”, “Vladimir Monomakh”, “Knyaz Danila Romanovich”, idem “king of Rus’ Daniel of
    Galicia”…?

  • Warthog0

    Great article, and it is somewhat strange that I spoke to a friend two weeks ago saying that this difference between Ukrainians and “Russians” can be settled with DNA mitochondrial research. I must have been receiving some ones strong messages.

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      Yes!
      Ruski LIE & DISTORT there as well. :)
      Pity I am in a rush.

  • Jakub Aleksander Bartoszewski

    I presume that Ukrainians also invented the wheel and founded Rome. Guys, I really like you as our neighbours, but the amount of historical bullshit in this article is just unbearable. Kraijna means country in many Slavic languages, that’s right, but it’s not the same word as “Ukraina”. The latter until the end of XVIth century meant simply “borderland” and wasn’t treated as a name of a country; “Rus” yes, but not “Ukraina”. The Battle of Blue Waters – I’m sorry, but it was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kyiv was just a part of it. Your occupiers won the battle, not you. The universities – Kyiv-Mohyl fair enough, but when it comes to Lwow and Ostroh – well, I think that you are sufficiently aware about their actual origin so that I don’t have to get into details. Grand Duchy of Lithuania as the last state of Kiev Rus – C’MON, you guys were constantly rebelling against being either a part of the Crown (Poland) or the Grand Duchy (Lithuania), so saying that you had any kind of control over the latter.. well, that’s not even an exaggeration, that’s just a lie. As I said, I really like you as neighbours and I think that you’re right in defending your country against the people who invaded it, but on the other hand – just please, don’t adjust history to your own opinion, because that’s simply lying and the people who know what actually happened won’t trust you. The passage on the genetic origin of Russians I shall not comment – it may be correct, but it is just racist to consider it a flaw as it is clearly suggested in this article.

    • Nikolay Petrov

      As a matter of fact Ukrainians might have invented the wheel and founded Rome as their ancestors were Thracian and Scythian, the Scythians were Thracian, too. DNA shows Bulgarians and Ukrainians are mostly of Balkan, that is Thracian origin. If you read all known Ancient authors you will find out Rome was founded by Thracians and the wheel by the Scyths. Scyths (skiti) translated from Bulgarian and Ukrainian means to wander and it is known Scythians have reache Persia and India, which is why we have Buddha which in Bulgarian means to waken!!! The Thracian Dionis had reache India, too, previous to the Scyths, Borderland in Ukrainian (Old Russian) and Russian (Moscovite Great Russian) would be okraina, not ukraina. U-kraina or as it was also written V-kraina means In-(your-own-) country, especially when others are exploiting your Rus name!!! Rus or Ros, as the root in many rivers around Kiev, means dew, water!!! The Rus people came from the Balkans – Rusi-dava was a Getae city in Thracian Dacia (present day Romania), Today we have Poiana/ Meadoq Rusca in the same area!!! The first S(c)lavic people were the Thracians living along the lower Danube river in the Balkans knows as Getae (later Goths, Guthuni in Prussia or Gutsuli in Ukraine). Getae from Indo Aryan/ Euro sanskrit gayate means to glorify, same as Slav. As they were occupied by the Greco Romans they turned into slaves, what their name Slav turned to mean in the West later, as slave in English!!! All Slavs came from the Balkans, pushed North from the Roman occupation. But the population in Epirus, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova) and Ukraine is closest to the original Thraco-> Slavs. the Proto Bulgars who had their Old Great Bulgaria in what is Ukraine till the 7th century were a formation of former Thracian tribes sent way from the Balkans (Epirus/ Macedonia) – kutri, ante, brigi/burgi, dulope (the Dulo clan) and huoni/ hunns, who all lived in what is Ukraine today!!! The Moscovites – Great Russians ahve little to do with this. In fact the Modern Russian language is base on Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian of the Besi/ Vesi who lived East of the city Solun/ Saloniki, which was THE official language in Eastern Europe at the time!!! Despite the common Balkan origin, by the time of Old Rus and even before that in Old Great Bulgarian, the Poles/ Lyahs had developed in a different way from the Rus people, whos lands began from the Lvov (Leopolis) region and East. So in time any Poles in Lvov and further East were INVADERS AND OCCUPANTS who did as much EVIL to the Old Rus – Ukrainian/ Belorussian people as the Moscovites!!! So, you had better shut up!!!

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      Russo-mongolian troll … does speak Polish as well … some of them do… in a month only 3 comments as of today? Hmm ;)

      • Jakub Aleksander Bartoszewski

        Well, calling someone a “troll” definitely speaks volumes but certainly not about good manners. I am sorry but although I support your (Ukrainians’) struggle with Russia – to put it clearly, you guys separate us from the Big Bear – I am really not a huge fan of making up your own history which you do a lot. Can you understand the fact that someone may get offended seeing the bits of his country’s history stolen and incorporated into yours? Well, that’s exactly why I got pissed off. If you guys don’t get it, then go and look for allies somewhere else, because we’re not going to support people who insult us.

        • Andrew Chmilewsky

          “Jakub Aleksander Bartoszewski” ROTE:

          “Well, calling someone a “troll” definitely speaks volumes but certainly
          not about good manners. I am sorry but although I support your
          (Ukrainians’) struggle with Russia – to put it clearly, you guys
          separate us from the Big Bear – I am really not a huge fan of making up
          your own history which you do a lot. Can you understand the fact that
          someone may get offended seeing the bits of his country’s history stolen
          and incorporated into yours? Well, that’s exactly why I got pissed off.
          If you guys don’t get it, then go and look for allies somewhere else,
          because we’re not going to support people who insult us.”

          Lies — but of course! — *AND* a lack of EDUCATION…

          YOU ROTE — (again do note!) “… – I am really not a huge fan of making up your own history which you do a lot. Can you understand the fact that someone may get offended seeing the bits of his country’s history stolen and incorporated into yours?”

          Yes indeed! I most CERTAINLY do find HISTORY STEALING — i.e. taking Kyiv, Rus/Ukraine WHITE SLAVIC history, and FALSELY attributing such to Moskovy, Msocow/Russia, ASIATIC FINNO-UGRIC & MONGOLOIDAL admixture, very UNETHICAL besides IGNORANT!

          Keep LYING & TROLLING! — It’s all your kind has, isn’t it? ;)

        • Andrew Chmilewsky

          Ukrainian history is NOT Russo-mongolian history.

          They only “became ‘Russian'” — Not “Rus” but RusKEY (ADJECTIVE NOT the NOUN form) in 1721… Trying a “Polish approach” eh you IGNORANT LYING RUSKI **TROLL**

  • Screwdriver

    A lot of false information here. Article is a fraud.

    1. “Hypatian chronicles” were written in 14th century ABOUT certain events in 12th century!

    2. “Hypatian chronicles” did not mention “Ukraine” or “Ukraina”, but it was written as “oukraina”, which interprets as a -“borderland” or “frontier” in Russian. This is why all Russians say when going to “okraina” – ehat NA Ukrainu, and about events in Ukraine – ” na Ukraine”, and word “na” in Russian never used in connection with any other country, it is only used in connection with some Russian regions (including former Russian Alaska) or some islands ( “na” Hawai, “na” Manhattene)

    3. Yaroslav the Wise, wrote that his parents named him with a “russian” (russkim imenem) name. He did not say that he was named “ukrainskim” imenem. :-)

    4. “Golden Horde and her daughter Muscovy “. Golden Horder established in 13th century, and Moscow known for a century before Golden Horder, so Moscow can not be a daughter of Golden Horder, becouse Moscow is much older. Ukraine can be daughter of Horder, since there is more Turk /Tatar /Khazar influence in Ukrainian culture then in Russia. Even word “Maidan” is a Turk word. “Ukrainian” sharovary, mustache, swords – all taken from Horder and Turk cultures.

    5. “the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns” – flat out fake. DNA studies are easy to find http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml – they show that Russians and Ukrainians sharing R1A Haplogroup, in a big percentage, together with the neighbors like Poland and Belarus.
    Most common Haplogroup for Finns – N1c . Finns have 61% of that group, Northern Russia – 30%, Central Russia – only 15%.- compared to Eastern Ukraine – 9%, Western Ukraine – 5%. Not a big difference, considering that Russians and Ukrainians sharing more then 40%-50 of R1A Haplogroup.

    6. Another fake – ” These studies also fully confirmed that the Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns”
    When we go to original of that study, we see entire different picture.
    http://historylib.org/historybooks/E-V–Balanovskaya–O-P–Balanovskiy_Russkiy-genofond-na-Russkoy-ravnine/30
    Chart confirms what Russians and Ukrainians have in common- more then 40 % of R1A Haplogroup. And Finns have only 7% of R1A Haplogroup. So the fake story does not match with the study.

    We see how Galicians trying to re-write the history, but it looks very funny and absurd… but should work fine for Ukrainian kids and kids alike. :-)

    • Liubov

      Where do you see common between Rus and Rossiya. There’re two different countries. Do you know how many words rossian language has??
      Человек, лошадь, арбуз, барабан, чемжуг, язык, власть тюрьма, глаз, чемодан, чердак, ящик, кирпич, кусок, калитка, мусор, обезьяна, таможня, алмаз, балда, сахар, мех? And also many rossian cities, villages and areas are called Tatar/Turkish, but not Slavic’s. Baykal, Kreml, Tayga.

      • Screwdriver

        “The modern name of Russia (Rossiya), which came into use in the 17th century, is derived from the Greek Ρωσία, which in turn derives from Ῥῶς, an early Greek name for the people of Rus’.[4] Rus’ as a state had no proper name; by its inhabitants it was called rusĭskaja zemlja (русьская земля) – with rusĭskaja becoming russkaja in Modern Russian –, which translates as “Land of the Rus'”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_(name)

        • Nikolay Petrov

          As a matter of fact Ukrainians might have invented the wheel and founded Rome as their ancestors were Thracian and Scythian, the Scythians were Thracian, too. DNA shows Bulgarians and Ukrainians are mostly of Balkan, that is Thracian origin. If you read all known Ancient authors you will find out Rome was founded by Thracians and the wheel invented by the Scyths. Scyths (skiti) translated from Bulgarian and Ukrainian means to wander, the R1A Haplogroup refers to them, and it is known Scythians have reached Persia and India, which is why we have Buddha which in Bulgarian means to awaken!!! The Thracian Dionis had reached India, too, previous to the Scyths, Borderland in Ukrainian (Old Russian) and Russian (Moscovite Great Russian) would be okraina, not ukraina. U-kraina or as it was also written V-kraina means In-(your-own-) country, especially when others are exploiting your Rus name!!! It was written OUkraina as OU stood for the sound of U in Old Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian!!! Got it!!! Rus or Ros, as the root in many rivers around Kiev, means dew, water!!! The Rus people came from the Balkans – Rusi-dava was a Getae city in Thracian Dacia (present day Romania). Today we have Poiana/ Meadow Rusca in the same area!!! The first S(c)lavic people were the Thracians living along the lower Danube river in the Balkans known as Getae (later Goths, Guthuni in Prussia or Gutsuli in Ukraine). Getae from Indo Aryan/ Euro Sanskrit gayate means to glorify, same as Slav. As they were occupied by the Greco Romans they turned into slaves, what their name Slav turned to mean in the West later, as slave in English!!! All Slavs came from the Balkans, pushed North from the Roman occupation. But the population in Epirus, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova) and Ukraine is closest to the original Thraco-> Slavs. the Proto Bulgars who had their Old Great Bulgaria in what is Ukraine till the 7th century were a formation of former Thracian tribes sent away from the Balkans (Epirus/ Macedonia) – kutri, ante, brigi/burgi, dulope (the Dulo clan) and huoni/ hunns, who all lived in what is Ukraine today, reestablished Bulgaria on the Balkans in 681!!! The Moscovites – Great Russians have little to do with this. In fact the Modern Russian language is based on Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian of the Besi/ Vesi who lived East of the city Solun/ Saloniki, which was THE official language in Eastern Europe at the time!!! Despite the common Balkan origin, by the time of Old Rus and even before that in Old Great Bulgarian, the Poles/ Lyahs and Moscovites (who were mainly Ugro Finno Turkic) had developed in a different way from the Old Rus people. Poles in Lvov and further East in Old Russia – Ukraine, as well Muscovites in Ukraine – Crimea were INVADERS AND OCCUPANTS who did EVIL!!! For example, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova), Belarus/ Lithuania have never done EVIL to Ukraine!!! Moscovy is EVIL and USELESS, and means only regress and decay!!! Moscovites should be thrown out of Europe (Gayrope) and a GREAT WALL SHOULD BE BUILT ON THE EAST BORDER OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS TO PREVENT GREAT RUSSIANS FROM INVADING GAYROPE!!! ALSO, DO NOT DARE SAY GREAT RUSSIANS LIBERATED BULGARIANS FROM THE TURKS AS THEY WANTED TO REOCCUPY BULGARIA AND IN THE END LED TO BULGARIANS BIGGEST NATIONAL DISASTER, AS BULGARIANS LOST HALF OF THEIR LANDS AND POPULATION, WHICH SUFFERED GENOCIDE, DUE TO THE GREAT RUSSIAN GEOPOLITICAL ACTIVITIES!!! SHAME ON GREAT RUSSIA!!!

          • Andrew Chmilewsky

            It is very “incorrect” — to use the old Russian imperialist term of “Great Russian” as it is to use the old Russian imperialist term of “little Russian” for Ukrainians. :)

          • Nikolay Petrov

            It is not right to use the term Old Russian for what you point out, as Old Russia applies to 9th cent, when there was no Russian Empire. Great-Russian is the only way to name the Moscovites without offending them much when you want to put them aside from Ukrainians, that is the Little Russians, that is the True Original Russians. Little Russia per the old Greek perception means Mother Russia in which aspect, for those with a flexible consciousness, Little – becomes more that Great – !!! If Ukraine is the True Russia and not ( Great ) Russia, how would you call Ukraine. The Old True Russians had to come up with the term Ukraine from an early time to put them aside from the rest even in the Greater Old Russia, since not all tribes which became part of Old Russia were Russian (that is Thraco=Sclavo=Bulgar=BALKan) tribes. Ukraine in Old Russian Ukrainian means In-your-own-country, not borderland, as it is in Modern Great Russian (Church Sclavonic Old BULGarian Thracian)!!!

          • Andrew Chmilewsky

            Russians are not Slavic.
            Finno-Ugric-mongoloidols.

    • Yelyzaveta Golightly

      You are right about “oykraina”, though the “frontier” is a modern russian word (which in another slavic languages sound more like “mezha”, “limit” while “kraina” preserved in a lot of these languages as a “land”). The common mistake of russian-speakers is to assume that the old slavonic language transformed into russian directly and only)) The word always sounded as “ukraina” (oy=u in Greek). “Na” is used correctly if you refer to some piece of land – na Podilli, na Donbasi etc. And it came from Ukrainian tradition (russians don’t use it except of Kuban, which was the territory populated with Ukrainians, so it’s obvious why “na” is still used). Nowadays if you speak about the country, not a piece of land, it is correct to use “v”, not “na”.

      You are right about Monomakh and all the other russian princes. That’s because at that time only one Rus existed and it consisted of Kiev and surrounding cities. Only the one who controlled Kiev could call himself a Russian prince. Neither Novgorod, neither Suzdal or Vladimir were not called Rus (people from these lands travelled “to Rus” meaning “to Kiev” as it is mentioned a lot of times in the old chronicles). This tradition ended when Kiev was robbed and burned by Bogolyubsky (who also claimed to be the Russian prince, though his followers started calling themselves like that without having Kiev in their subjection).

      Regarding the Golden Horde, the truth is that Ivan the Terrible had the mongol-tatar blood in his veins and with his leadership the name Rus moved towards modern Russia (the name only, because the way of ruling was totally different and all the princes across the lands were obeying the Golden Horde). He also had some blood of Russian and Byzantine predecessors and became the first emperor. Practically he was the founder of modern Russia as it is and the great “land collector”. Modern Ukraine was formed from the remains of Kievan Rus, Volyn-Galich kingdom and Cossack hetmanate. Cossacks were already using the name “Ukraine”. Of course, they adopted a lot from tatars, though if you think of “traditional russian” attributes, you’ll see that lapti, valenki, matryoshki, pelmeni, samovar, garmoshka, pryaniki etc. have nothing to do with Rus.

      • Sergey Bardashov

        Ivan the terrible newer was an emperor. The first emperor in Russia was Peter the great.

        • Yelyzaveta Golightly

          He was the tsar, sorry. Anyway, he was the first coronated leader of Moscovia/Russia

        • LES1

          This practice of intoxicating one’s subordinates manifests in strikingly similar ways throughout the years, and one of the earliest records of the practice names none other than Ivan the Terrible.

          Raised without parents by elites violently feuding for control of crown regency, Ivan the Terrible had a taste for violence that grew as he did.

          His thirst for torturing and killing small animals developed into a lust for homicidal rampages against peasants, typically while drunk. At court these urges took on a more menacing bent. He constantly obliged attending nobles to drink to his honor, so much that they often had to be carried from the hall. When the drunken spectacle attracted public or private criticism, Ivan was tenacious in his retribution. Ivan’s chancellor was overheard claiming that the excesses of the tsar’s inebriation were unbecoming of the leader of Russia. The following Sunday at church, the tsar’s guards found the chancellor at prayer and hacked him to death on the spot.

          Another nobleman once forcefully refused an order to drink from Ivan, and the latter seized a spear and ran the nobleman through. Subtlety rarely prevailed. Ultimately his subjects became so paranoid that none dared resist their nightly obligation to drink at Ivan’s bidding, though it didn’t necessarily spare them.

          As master of ceremonies, the tsar often had the careless and unfiltered conversing of his subjects recorded in transcript so he could confront them about it the next day. Eventually Ivan found kindred souls who reveled in the mayhem of drink and bloodshed as much as he did, and abandoned Moscow to create a new capital to govern from. This band of bon vivants ultimately grew to something roughly akin to a medieval secret police [KGB 500 years ago !], a force above the law that spread across the country purging suspected enemies of the tsar.In the end, abstaining in absence wasn’t even an option to stay safe from drink-fueled rampages.

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      “Vladimir Monomakh” ?!?!?!

      WTF I TOL’ YOU!!!

      Volodymyr!!!! No “Vladimir” you DUM monhol!!!

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      “Chart confirms what Russians and Ukrainians have in common- more then 40
      % of R1A Haplogroup. And Finns have only 7% of R1A Haplogroup. So the
      fake “Ukrainian made” story does not match with the study.”

      HUH?!?!?! WTF!!!!

      YOU LIE!!!! WTF YOU SAID IS A LIE!!!

      Take a COURSE IN ***GENETICS*** you IGNORANT “language major”!!!

      & you are SH*T ther as well!!! — LIAR!!!

      USE A WHITE MAN’S “STUDY!!!

      NOT ASIATIC RUSKI BS!!!

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      Screwdriver ROTE:

      “A lot of false information here. Article is a fraud.”

      You are the “FRAUD” —- a LYING RUSSO-MONGOLIAN **TROLL** afraid to even use his/her real name!

      IGNORANT coward you Russo-mongolians are!

      • Screwdriver

        “> Brian Marasca wrote in message …

        > >Hi, I’m sorry if I’m disturbing anyone. I’m not a regular poster.
        I’ve been informed that a person called “Andrew Chmilewsky” has been
        cross-posting my name and address, and even my daughter’s name, to a
        strange variety of newsgroups on Usenet. If anyone here is familiar with him, I wonder if they could tell me who he is, and why on Earth he would be posting my name around?

        I’m the owner of this domain name (panpsyche.org), so anyone could easily
        find my name and address by doing a “who-is” if they found any of the
        several dozen people in the New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania area who
        have forwarding addresses through my domain.

        I’ll be grateful for whatever info anyone can give me, and if no one has
        any idea what I’m talking about, I’m sorry for disturbing your group.

        > WHO ANDREW CHMILEWSKY IS:

        > Andrew Chmilewsky is a Usenet troll who has an untreated mentally illness

        > (or illnesses). He likes to badger people about posting their real names

        > and addresses so that he can then harass them.”
        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.legal/HAtvbir9XSQ

        • Andrew Chmilewsky

          Did you ANSWER WTF I “said” you LYING, ASIATIC, ***RUSSO-MONGOLIAN*** POS ASIATIC FINNO-UGRIC-MONGOLOIDOL PAID, RUSKI TROLL for your new communist dictator (ras)Putin? ;)))

          RUSKI SCUMBAG! :)

          No you did *NOT* — you IGNORANT, *LYING* –COWARDLY– HIDING, *UNEDUCATED * RUSKI TROLL —- WITH ;) da bad Anglish fum da commie edukation :)))

          Monhol!!!! :)

          Go pretend you are white & SLAVIC …… Monhol!!! ;)))

          • Screwdriver

            “Andrew hates women because they remind him of his former wife, who

            divorced

            > him and fled for her life due to his death threats against her and her

            > child. Andrew also hates people who take psychiatric meds because that’s

            > how his former wife recovered enough to be able to leave him. He has

            > trouble keeping jobs, so he spends his time crossposting as a way to get

            his

            > delusional anger out.

            >

            > Andrew uses a variety of sockpuppets (SSRIHater, alexplore, etc.) He has

            > also created a “dual identity” named Alex Thurston who shares his Social

            > Security number. We’re not sure what he does with this alternate person,

            > but he’s probably up to no good with it.

            >

            > In case you might need this someday, Andrew lives at 259 Avenue E,

            Bayonne,

            > NJ. This address is for the Bayonne Family YMCA, his current residence.

            > His Social Security number is 144-46-4122.

            >

            > WHY ANDREW CHMILEWSKY IS POSTING YOUR NAME AROUND:

            >

            > It’s one of the symptoms of his mental illness. He does this to a lot of

            > people.”

          • Andrew Chmilewsky

            Quote some more LYING, MENTALLY ILL TROLLS! :)

            That most certainly, is a “proof” a PAID, LYING, RUSSO-MONGOLIAN PROFESSIONAL TROLL for Putin can use & has (for Ruski & other fools) “credibility” — Right you COWARDLY, UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT, MORON ?? ;)

            (ARE THEY MONGOLS LIKE YOU OR MERELY JUST AS “HONEST” AS YOU “AZIATICS” ? ;)

            yOU Still say Ruski — i.e. FINNO-UGRIC-MONGOLOIDOL B@STARD AMALGAMS ARE WHITE/SLAVIC ?? lIKE uKRAINIANS, ETC. ARE?? ;)

            WELL? EH SCUMBAG? ;)

            Btw…. do learna da Anglisha lanGuagega …. Did MONGOL SAVAGES in Ruski teach you or WTF??!!

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      YOU LIE! — “P’tfu!” — I spit in your non-Slavic Finno-Ugric “Ruski” LYING FACE!

      Unlike me, you IGNORANT, LYING PAID RUSSO-MONGOLIAN **COWARDLY** UNEDUCATED **TROLL** — I have a science background & *YOU* do not!

      Nor do *I* hide my profile ……. You ALWAYS LIE!!! Ruski POS!

  • TheBlogFodder

    Excellent article. Many thanks.

  • Larry

    Thank you very much for this very interesting article.
    I ignored that Russians have had books once.

  • Nikolay Petrov

    As a matter of fact Ukrainians might have invented the wheel and founded Rome as their ancestors were Thracian and Scythian, the Scythians were Thracian, too. DNA shows Bulgarians and Ukrainians are mostly of Balkan, that is Thracian origin. If you read all known Ancient authors you will find out Rome was founded by Thracians and the wheel invented by the Scyths. Scyths (skiti) translated from Bulgarian and Ukrainian means to wander, the R1A Haplogroup refers to them, and it is known Scythians have reached Persia and India, which is why we have Buddha which in Bulgarian means to awaken!!! The Thracian Dionis had reached India, too, previous to the Scyths, Borderland in Ukrainian (Old Russian) and Russian (Moscovite Great Russian) would be okraina, not ukraina. U-kraina or as it was also written V-kraina means In-(your-own-) country, especially when others are exploiting your Rus name!!! It was written OUkraina as OU stood for the sound of U in Old Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian!!! Got it!!! Rus or Ros, as the root in many rivers around Kiev, means dew, water!!! The Rus people came from the Balkans – Rusi-dava was a Getae city in Thracian Dacia (present day Romania). Today we have Poiana/ Meadow Rusca in the same area!!! The first S(c)lavic people were the Thracians living along the lower Danube river in the Balkans known as Getae (later Goths, Guthuni in Prussia or Gutsuli in Ukraine). Getae from Indo Aryan/ Euro Sanskrit gayate means to glorify, same as Slav. As they were occupied by the Greco Romans they turned into slaves, what their name Slav turned to mean in the West later, as slave in English!!! All Slavs came from the Balkans, pushed North from the Roman occupation. But the population in Epirus, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova) and Ukraine is closest to the original Thraco-> Slavs. the Proto Bulgars who had their Old Great Bulgaria in what is Ukraine till the 7th century were a formation of former Thracian tribes sent away from the Balkans (Epirus/ Macedonia) – kutri, ante, brigi/burgi, dulope (the Dulo clan) and huoni/ hunns, who all lived in what is Ukraine today, reestablished Bulgaria on the Balkans in 681!!! The Moscovites – Great Russians have little to do with this. In fact the Modern Russian language is based on Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian of the Besi/ Vesi who lived East of the city Solun/ Saloniki, which was THE official language in Eastern Europe at the time!!! Despite the common Balkan origin, by the time of Old Rus and even before that in Old Great Bulgarian, the Poles/ Lyahs and Moscovites (who were mainly Ugro Finno Turkic) had developed in a different way from the Old Rus people. Poles in Lvov and further East in Old Russia – Ukraine, as well Muscovites in Ukraine – Crimea were INVADERS AND OCCUPANTS who did EVIL!!! For example, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova), Belarus/ Lithuania have never done EVIL to Ukraine!!! Moscovy is EVIL and USELESS, and means only regress and decay!!! Moscovites should be thrown out of Europe (Gayrope) and a GREAT WALL SHOULD BE BUILT ON THE EAST BORDER OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS TO PREVENT GREAT RUSSIANS FROM INVADING GAYROPE!!! ALSO, DO NOT DARE SAY GREAT RUSSIANS LIBERATED BULGARIANS FROM THE TURKS AS THEY WANTED TO REOCCUPY BULGARIA AND IN THE END LED TO BULGARIANS BIGGEST NATIONAL DISASTER, AS BULGARIANS LOST HALF OF THEIR LANDS AND POPULATION, WHICH SUFFERED GENOCIDE, DUE TO THE GREAT RUSSIAN GEOPOLITICAL ACTIVITIES!!! SHAME ON MOSCOVY – GREAT RUSSIA!!!

  • Nikolay Petrov

    Europeans called Lvov/ Leopolis – Russia till the 17th cent, while Kiev was Ukraina/Vkraina or Land of the Cossacks (Land of the Free) while Russia was Great Ducky of Moscovy or Grand Tatary!!!!

    • Jakub Aleksander Bartoszewski

      Dude, did you actually put a Polish map of Polish possessions in Ukraine…? Well, past is past but it’s still quite hilarious in the light of your arguments.

      • Nikolay Petrov

        Dude, Polish possession does not mean Polish right as First People. Even Lviv/ Leopolis was never originally Leh/ Polish !!! Also, Beauplan, who made the map, even working for Poland and Germany, was in fact French, so quite different in thinking than the so called Slavic and Polish stupidity !!! Also, had the Leh/ Poles not killed the Old Russian Ukrainians and taken the Ukrainian lands, the Ukrainians would have not sought help from the Polish atrocities with Moscow. The Moscovites are always at pretending to be very good while in fact being evil, so Ukrainians were misled and went into another trap in the Moscovite Empire. Moscow took Ukrainians name and their heritage and occupied, deported and killed Ukrainians for the next 350 or so years while telling they are brothers!!! May be the Old Russian Ukrainians would have been better off with the Turks from the Ottoman Empire. Bulgaria was under the Turks for 500 years but Moscovite Great Russia did much more to destroy Bulgaria in much less time than the Turks for 500 years. When the Russian soldiers were coming to Bulgaria to supposedly liberate Bulgarians, in fact reoccupy Bulgaria for the purposes of the Great Russian Greek Plan where was no place for Bulgaria, in order for Moscow to become 3d Rome, the Russian (which included Ukrainian and other soldiers) were wondering that Bulgarians lived better under the Turks than they in the Great Russian Empire!!! So, after all it is the Polish who are guilty of Ukraine’s bad destiny!!! Shame on you!!! Now, who is funny!!!

  • Nikolay Petrov

    Roman occupation forced many Thracian tribes to leave the Balkans. The map shows the place of origin of the Rus people!!! As well of the Prussians – in Brusa/ Bursa once Thracian Brigia in Asia Minor, now Turkish Bursa!!!

  • Nikolay Petrov

    Roman occupation of the Balkans forced over 40 Thracian tribes to leave the Balkans at various times. This map shows the evacuation of the Thracian tribes who left Epirus/ Macedonia and made up the future Bulgars/ Blegars/ /Vlahars/ Valkars/ Varkars/ Burgars in what is Ukraine today – Old Great Bulgaria till the 7 cent. The tribes being named Kutri, Ante, Brigi/ Burgi, Dulobe (the Dulo clan!!!) and Huoni/ Hunns!!! The Bulgars reestablished Bulgaria in their homeland on the Balakns in 681!!! Bulgarian DNA pool shows closest similarity to Italian, so it is most probable that Thraco-Sclavo-Bulgarians from the Balkans founded Rome!!! Ukrainian DNA pool shows most markers coming from the Balkans, the so called Tripillian culture!!! That is – Thracian, like Bulgarians!!!

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      Mr. Petrov ROTE:
      “…the so called Tripillian culture ”

      NOT ‘so-called” :)

      Quite real! :)

      Should be spelled “Trypillian”.
      https://www.google.com/search?q=Trypillian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

      REAL! Like the Kurgan Hypothesis. :)
      Main, or largest settlements were in Ukraine. :)
      NOT Bulgaria! — Sorry!

      Above link tells you a great deal .. You can even “youtube” it. :)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci-NSsRm2AU

      Btw — their (Trypillian) art work is VERY SIMILAR to what you see in Ukrainian
      artwork.

      Careful of the Russo-mongolian Trolls!
      They present FALSE DATA!

      • Nikolay Petrov

        So called not because it is not true but because any other village from the same culture could give its name to it. There is no way for a Native Speaker of English to read Trypillian the right way, they would say Traipillian, Also, in Bulgarian there is no hard and soft i, so Tripilian is also correct from a Bulgarian point of view. Do you write Italian with double L !!! How it is written does not matter. If you watch the Ukrainian movie DNA portrait of a nation – they point out the most male (Y) DNA is Tropilian and they have come from the BALKans, it must be the gene i2a1 !!! Bulgarian genes are most various but this one has the greatest % totalling at over 20%, while it is highest among in the mountainous areas of Bosna where people have had the least contact of other people living in a closed environment… Also, in Bulgaria there are archaeological sites older than 8 000 years like Perperikon. the Ancient Greek authors wrote that the first names of the BALKans were Perke and Aria. Perke is explained via the BULGarian pera, perkam meaning to hit, to strike. The name of the Sclavic God Perun, the name of the BULGarian mountain Pirin and the so called Greek mythological figure Perseus come from this word, too. Aria is explained with the BULGarian word yarak/ yarok meaning white/ bright!!! The First People in South east Europe, the so called by the Greeks Thracians (The Scythians were also Thracian), the Sclavus/ Sklaveni/ Slavs and BULGars is all the same. The first called sclavus were the Thracians Getae who lived from North BULGaria to Ukraine. Getae is similar to the Proto Indo European Sanskrit gayate meaning to glorify, that is proSLAVlyavam in BULGarian, so SLAV is similar in meaning to the previous Thracian Getae. The Getae were later know as Goths and Gotuni, and even today in Ukraine as Gutsuli. In Bulgarian there is a word got, gotin, gotino meaning something is very good, cool, that is glorious (that is Slav) in a way!!! From Epirus to Ukraine it is the same people but awfully divided by aliens and for their own stupidity and lack of unity!!! Herodotus wrote the so called Thracians wre biggest in numbers after the Hindu people but were weak for the lack of unity!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/641d29f2b3295e7ed0fe50468bfabaebd8bb72b68eae9a2f1e69793b44e8f51d.jpg

  • Nikolay Petrov

    http://istoriata.bg/listen/part8.html In the 18th cent. Bulgarian scholars, like Paisii of Hiledar, who wrote the Slavo-Bulgar History, made a difference between the Rus and Moskal people!!! You can also read the original text in the picture to see that Modern Russian copies Old Bulgarian. And since Bulgaria is the Mother-land of all Slavs there i sno way that Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian was native to the lands of Great Russia!!!

  • Sergey Bardashov

    Stupid svidomit trolls, you can jump out of your pants with your invented and fake “history” as much as you want – only brain dead people will believe in it. All normal people who knows history for at list a bit know the truth.

  • Pavel Bure

    Sort of racist anyhow. Doesn’t matter who came first other than out of curiosity.

  • Михайло

    “10. Golden Horde and her daughter Muscovy are the only countries in the world that enslaved their own people. ” That’s not correct. Serfdom was present at certin times in almost all european countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

  • You People are Idiots

    An interesting read, though it’s not exactly a big secret that the principality of Vladimir-Suzdal (in which Muscovyy was situated) didn’t rise to prominence until after the dissolution of Rus’. The Russian nation wasn’t founded until after the Tatar yoke, as a result of the re-unification of the Rus’ principalities under the banner of the Grand Dichy of Muscovyy — nobody denies this.

    However, the point none of you seem to get across is twofold. First, the Primary Chronicle of Rus’ states that Rurik established his initial seat of power in Novgorod. After his conquest of Khazaria, Oleg moved the capital to Kiev, after which, Sviatoslav moved it to Pereslavets. Notice the role of the princes of Novgorad throught the chronicles and any literature related to Rus’, which leads us to second point.

    While all of the Rus’ principalities were ruled by members of the Rurikovych dynasty after the fracturing, by thr time Muscovy absorbed Vladimir-Suzdal and began rising to prominense as rhe Grand Duchy, it was the only territory still ruled by the Rurikovich dynasty (which remained in power until the death of Ivan IV). Muscovy, like it or not, is by politics, succession and blood the sole successor to Rus’

    “onducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns”

    This is actually quite interesting because the Rus’ were not Slavs, they were Varyags (like the Finns) who ruled over the eastern Slavs. Remember, Rurik was after all a Varyag from what is today Friesland. Frieslanders are of course, closely related to Danes and Fins. If you’re making this claim, you’re actually reinforcing Russians’ claims to be Rurik’s heirs.

    Though, this begs for the question of where Ukrainians came from — the territory of Ukraine today, was Khazaria until it was conquered by Oleg and the Rus (has it never occured to you that Rurik and Oleg are Varyag names?), who came from Novgorod, then colonized the region. Khazars were, of course, semitic, proto-Ukrainians didn’t fall from the sky or magically appear from nowhere; it is suggested they also came from Novgorod with the Rus’ conquerors, and herein lay the conundrum. In the Russians aren’t Slavs, then those who came from Novgorod with Oleg and colonized Khazaria were not Slavs either. This is of course rhetorical to underscore the abject idiocy of the supposition, the Rus’ (Varyags) interbred with the eastern Slavs and were eventually assimilated.

    You can’t claim to be pure eastern Slav and a descendent of the Rus’ at the same time. The Rus’ were Finnic Varyags.

    Regardless, the actual studies (which you didn’t link to btw) are fobus of haplogroups, and the main findings are that with an average of 46.7% of Russians in the “Russia-DNA Project” include R1a1, R1a1a, R1a1a1g, and R1a1a1g2, which are also found in more than 50% of Ukrainians.

    Another interpretation of the study that is common to people who haven’t read it is that Russians are Mongols because of high frequencies of Haplogroup C-M48 — which is actually uncommon in ethnic Russian DNA, but common in native Siberians.

    “1. A state called Muscovy Peter the Great renamed in Russia in the 18th century, in 1721.”

    Piotr Vilikiy inherited simply declared what was until then known as the Russian Tsardom to be an empire. It was Ivan IV who founded the Tsardom and named the kigdom Russia in 1547 — which was his sole right as the last living ruler of the Rurikovich dynasty. It was previously the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, which was proclaimed in 1283, which was centered around Moscow which was founded in the 12th century (pto-top: Muscovy and Moscow refer to two different things, rhe former came into use only in the 16th and 17th centuries), which is basically when Rus’ split into various principalities and duchies.

    This is why you publish here and not in a reputable, peer-reviewed publication.

  • Федор Гречкин

    Firstly, the Russia appeared in [medevil catholic literature] Plano Carpini’s ‘Ystoria Mongalorum’ you may examine it in poor old-fashioned english from the open sources. At second, who is familiar with slavic languages or with linguistics at all can tell you for certain that the word U[oo]krayeena is just a phonetic variant of the word Okrajna which means ‘Outskirt’, ‘Outermost’. The prefix -o,-oo, denotes smth along or at the boundaries of smth — in this case something [kraj] is already means boundary = smth at the boundary of a boundary. It particulary explains an appearance of phrase Galich Ukraina, just pointing Galich to that time was the real borderland on the West of Orthodox Slavs’ Country. Moscow hadn’t appeared yet of course and the second capital of the state was Suzdal (‘SunWalley’) on the East, but after general destroying of Constantinopol in 15th century by turks it takes its status of ‘Katechon’ just of other OC peoples being under muslim or catholic henocidic pressure [Valachs, Moravs, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Ruthens, Belorussians, so-called Ukranians] — the fact explaining the time difference between Kiyevan and Moscovian “Holy See” establishments — and that was the third. For the concluding it is obvious — the article is an ideological forgery which grounds are on the standart ukranian school textbooks of 90-10s, which are fantasy ones, that’s approved…And you know folks — the history, it isn’t about the policy it is about the facts.

  • SnakeUSMC

    Я народився в Українській РСР. Я служив двадцять один рік в Корпус морської піхоти США,

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